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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:09 pm 
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I certainly wasn't arguing Spiral. I misinterpreted slightly what you suggested and did a little homework on fonts to understand a little more. I understand more now what you are suggesting re forgery and the possibility of any kukri being stamped at a later date et al.

Yes, I only spent an afternoon researching but I'm sure that's where many of us have started so don't mock my lack of experience 'time', I have to start somewhere. You started somewhere once too...

I'm also not knocking your expertise, Im just coming at it from an evidential perspective, the norm for archaeology and also for general research, going from 'the known'.

I appreciate your input, your obvious vast experience and your own legitimate reasons for not wanting to share more information re fakery but I obviously, rightly am continuing to seek (from whatever sources available) the complete and full reasoning, explanation and evidence etc for it being so, for my own learning, education and of course, buying 'correctly' marked kukris in the future.

That doesn't mean I'm dismissing your 'diagnosis' of the stamps etc I just simply understandably want to find out the evidence and fully know why. I don't dispute fakes abound, I've read some very informing pages today which outline general fake markings online.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:29 pm 
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Thanks Doorkeeper, I understand what I am saying must be frustrating... It would drive me nuts if said to me... :oops:

For anyone interested in fake stamps, I recommend buying a load of rusty lion head kukris at car boot sales, go on ebay and buy old hand cut stamps and punches and stamp them up... study how its done, what then has to be done to hide it, its an ongoing learning curve... Interestingly hand cut sans serif punches sell for very high prices in uk...... often 20x there modern equivalent, of course harley davidson engine stamps sell for 200X the equivilant non harley font ones... Do we sense a theme here?

Most fake kukris are easily spotted, some are not. If I spotted yours in a shop I would be excited and buy it! When Isat down with a loupe and a cold heart... I would go "O s***!"

I see many stamps that I cant be certain are genuine or fake... so I dont call them fake as I would hate to condemn a true piece.

In the balance of probabilities I am certain yours is fake...

Could a story be made up to explain every anomaly... yes. I could make up a story right now.

Would I believe it? not without evidence, because it not the normal occurrence.

I dont think I mocked your time spent, I just pointed out it was a few hours, and stated it was a good start, most collectors dont even do that...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:42 pm 
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Thank you Paul for your reference link also and your reply Spiral.

A similar kukri on that link, crescent and yes, stamps used. It begs the question (which probably has an obvious answer that you and Spiral will know) why do forgers and fakers add obscure markings i.e. just fake numbers or an obscure, unknown or semi-nonsensical battalion/regimental stamp to perhaps add fake value or interest when surely the clever addition of known regimental markings i.e GR for gurkha rifles et al would be financially more beneficial?

I can't see how in the case of my kukri for example there would be any real added financial value for the forger by adding random numbers or letters that can't be linked or researched as they connect with nothing?

If many militaria collectors buy marked and stamped items that they can research back sometimes to individuals what is there to be gained really financially if its sometimes the clearly marked and famous regimental or battalion items that can make serious money even if some of those are possibly faked to?

I ask simply as a beginner wanting to learn. Thank you for your patience. I'm not on here to make money just simply to learn and collect kukris with a little more knowledge behind me. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:11 pm 
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Indeed, its an interesting question!

We all know greed drives many..

But also the desire to be smarter or have one over on people is strong for those who had a hard childhood sometimes.

The most infamous faker who I suspect was the man who did yours, a quick search on the interenet just know revealed several past and currant antique and militaria businesses, also at same address, and others such as a specialist metal engravers...


Add to that at least 17 years of stamping old kukri up..... a very skilled man, he does amazing fake kukri and bayonet frogs as well.

interesting link to a kukri years ago..

http://www.ikrhs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1097


His work has improved and he uses many techniques ,stamps and stamping styles...

Heres one recently sold..


https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/past-catalogues/lot.php?auction_id=460&lot_id=300525

Im sure hes a kukri collecter, and hes reading this thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:12 pm 
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Thanks Spiral. It certainly isn't me lol !


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:15 pm 
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But again I have to ask, what possible benefit is there for him to use and benfit from nonsensical stamps financially?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:38 pm 
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Its not finical... always.. the 1942 stamp and frog probably made an extra 100 pounds, But of course it may have been threw several hands by then//

Every time a collector buys one , he knows hes cleverer than them..

He likes feeling Superior by conning people.

Shame really, I guess his daddy told him he was stupid... Hes trying to proove to himself that hes not...

Actually hes not...hes clever and skilled . but he still loves conning people...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:57 pm 
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As ex 'job' I understand psychology and criminology to some degree and obviously some unhinged people have something to prove and gain even if we will never fully understand what or why or indeed their 'agenda'..


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:19 pm 
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Indeed... One of my ex.jobs helped my random guess at his psychology. But I noticed BRL observe similar years ago.

If you read Bernard Levines knife identification forum, on blade forums from 20 to 10 years ago there much good info on fakes & people making /selling them, techniques, identifying factors etc. Probably 200 hours reading... but many gems hidden amongst the dross.

Sadley Bernard doesnt post much the last few years , but luckily threads are archived... If you do a search to bring up his posts, probably 20 to 40 hours.. His an ornery sod, but a lot sharper than the average knife. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:26 am 
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Thanks Spiral. I will indeed invest time on those BL pages.


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