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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:28 am 
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Hi all, I'm new to the group but have had an interest in militaria and collecting edged weapons for 35 years. Ive recently ventured more (after much research) into the fascinating world of Kukri's and have just been fortunate enough to purchase this which to my eye (and a little experience) appears to be a relatively scarce example of its type. I'd love to know more from the experts on here as I'm still learning ! I believe its Nepalese made, probably from the 1st quarter of the 20th Century/ 1920's and is probably a Nepalese Army Battalion piece. Interestingly, it has an inlaid brass Shiva (or similar) crescent on one side of the blade (which I haven't seen exactly the same online in my research) and appears to have an Army/Battalion stamp on its spine 2-2G 2429. Please can anyone shed light on which Regiment/Battalion etc and have any other expertise and thoughts on this Kukri ? The tinder/flint pouch appears to be sewn together with horse or yak hair. Many thanks all.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:21 am 
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Hello and a very warm welcome to ikrhs.
What a fantastic Kukri to debut with. I think you have got the date there are there abouts, in my opinion no later than the 20's. My take on the numbers are. 2nd battalion 2nd Gurkha rifle's also know as the Simoor rifle's. The 2429 would be the Gurkha soldiers number. With luck you could find out the name and service details of the original owner. I believe the success rate is about 1 in 10 but it's great when you get that one.
All in all a fabulous WWl era bat issue Kukri.
I hope others see this and get involved as I love this type of kukri and really enjoy a good thread.
I can't really add much more about it but many thanks for sharing, oh one last thing. These things are highly addictive ask any of us here. One is never enough!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:27 pm 
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A lovely genuine period kukri that seems to have had a much later stamping of numerals......

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:41 pm 
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I like this type of kukri. Shame about the spurious stamps.

It also looks to my eye as though it has been very heavily sanded to the point that the angkhola fuller is practically gone.

Highlander has one too I believe, here are a few more examples:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Really nice Kukri you have there!
What is it about the stamps that make you guys think they are not right? We've all seen dodgy markings, but not like this?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:17 am 
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Thanks for all the info guys ! I'm here to learn. I'm confused as to why its been said the 'stamps are later' and 'spurious' please? I'm aware of many types of faked markings and aware kit can also be later stamped/reissued for units (as seen on bayonets etc) but have been told by other reputable sources in the last week they are indeed original (not faked) although its still unclear precisely which regiment/battalion they represent? Thanks !


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:16 am 
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Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings. {Im sure many people would believe in those stamps... but maybe not very experienced in kukri and there fakes if they dont know what units the marks supposedly represent.}

But For at least 25 years, one well known dealer in the uk who operates under various names and runs several has run several antique businesses, has regularly faked markings on often genuine kukri.

Over the past 17 years I pointed out why they were obviously fake, then as he reads this forum and other forums , he would put right on his next fake his past errors.

His fake marks are now good enough to fool many. {Actually his fooled many hundreds over the years. Which no doubt he finds a rewarding exercise.}

There are 2 things wrong with these marks, and a couple of other questions that could only be answered in hand.

I no longer say why there clearly wrong, because then I might not spot the next fake. :shock:

I dare say he is probably not the only mark faker in the world either.

But i expect he has vandalised more decent kukris, than many collectors have ever held good ones.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:15 pm 
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Thanks but that really isn't helpful. I've joined this site to learn and to be told something is 'fake' I can deal with and learn from but to not have you, a senior experienced and learned collector explain why is incredible and ludicrous with respect. How can we all learn? Surely your reasoning and expertise would be beneficial for all kukri collectors just starting out? How can you choosing to not explain your opinions on a fake help Kukri collecting generally please and those that join this site seeking information, guidance and help? I despair..I may as well pack my bags now.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:57 am 
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Did you fail to understand this simple statement?


"Over the past 17 years I pointed out why they were obviously fake, then as he reads this forum and other forums , he would put right on his next fake his past errors."

I dont wish to teach fakers and scammers how to improve their product, by pointing out what shows there products are fake.

You see its not all about You...

its about all the other poor unfortunates who will be ripped off if I detail for You why I know its a fake.

I know which is most important. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:02 am 
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Spiral wrote:
Did you fail to understand this simple statement?

How unnecessarily rude and patronising that sounds. Of course I understood your 'simple' statement.


"Over the past 17 years I pointed out why they were obviously fake, then as he reads this forum and other forums , he would put right on his next fake his past errors."

I dont wish to teach fakers and scammers how to improve their product, by pointing out what shows there products are fake.

So how do people interested in Kukris learn, if a specialist forum moderator (who should be encouraging learning and helping people avoid fakes) describes markings as 'fake' but isn't willing to explain why?

You see its not all about You...

I never said it was all 'about me'. I simply posted a kukri and asked for advice and educated comments, help and an explanation. Perfectly reasonable and actually, most decent and professional experts would be only to glad to help, advise and explain to someone seeking help and information. Your arrogance astounds me.


its about all the other poor unfortunates who will be ripped off if I detail for You why I know its a fake.

Then message me and tell me privately why its fake 'in your opinion' and keep that information that you are scared to share off the thread perhaps?!



I know which is most important. :wink:And that isn't obviously in educating or helping people 'research' (have you read the Forums name lately? lol)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:00 am 
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I can understand, you found my statement patronising. It was because you were missing the point.

Your entitled to your view of how I should behave as an unpaid volunteer moderator and kukri collector, who has shared much research for many years. But that just your opinion. Mine is different.

I dont know you from Adam, so why would I explain to you ,how fakers could make there very good fake marks perfect?

We are a research and historical society, that doesn't mean Im obligated to tell you whatever you wish to know.

Especially if its something that can damage kukri collecting in futre.

I do this for the love of kukris.

Sorry that your first post was such a tricky one.

Better luck next time!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:50 am 
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I have slept on it and I feel a little bit of a word is in order here.

We here at ikrhs have long encouraged the research and better understanding of our members passion. But over the years we have realised that sometimes our better understanding of the kukri word can further the less scrupulous out there.
Sometimes the tone of such posts may appear a little disappointing and can be misconstrued as personal. This can lead to posts deteriorating as this one has.

Please remember that all here are so voluntarily and we all can have opinions.

Maybe a pm have would be in order to discuss the workings of the markings.

So in long please remember that this discussion forum is fully public and I would like it to stay friendly and informative.

Carry on gent's
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:20 pm 
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Nice Kuk Highlander !


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