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 Post subject: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:30 pm 
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Hi have a Fat handled ABC MK1 stamped Kukri I'd like to find more about ,Has 21 ABC over 26 on the scabbard ,then 2 ABC over 74 on the handle ,then FW then 16 ABC over 33 on the spine ,weighs 760 Grams ,14 inch blade ,rather large temple kaudi .
Were the ABC ones the earlier MK1s being produced in Ww1 ??
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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:32 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:26 am 
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Good find,

Abc for army bearer corp had mk.1s dated over many years.. mk.2s as well.

Manufacture dates from 1904 to 1917 I have seen so far marked to abc. units.

They sometimes carry later issue dates as well & that confuses some.

ABC troops didnt get to keep thier kukris so issued and carried by different men with different ABC units does occur.

Is there a faint date on scabbard at back?

Even your BFF self appointed sensai kukri expert now accepts ABC stands for Army bearer Corp. He ridiculed me for such a suggestion years ago... for weeks on end! It was hilarious! I drip fed the photo evidence in bit by bit! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:07 am 
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I have attached a photo from a 1906 article on the ABC Army Bearer Corps published in the Journal of the Army Med Corps 1906. I can't upload the pdf.

Google

THE ARMY BEARER CORPS.
By MAJOR A. E. MILNER.
Royal Army Medical Corps.

Interesting read.

I have a theory that this kukri was made sometime withing six months out from WW1. I believe that this type of fat handle tends to be later toward the war. Also the execution of the kaudi seems to suggest that these we made quickly and in large volumes just before the onset of WW1.

I have uploaded a pic of an extract from The World in World Wars Heike Liebau 2010. The foot note on page 63 says: "In December 1913 the strength of the Army Bearer Corps was increased from 1500 on the active list to 4500 with a reserve of 1500."

That is an increase in issued kukri of 4500 in a short period of time - WW1 started on 28 July 1914. A lot of kukri to make.From 1912 the kukri was standard issue kit for a stretcher bearer in the ABC it seems.

I'm glad the marks were all good Highlander.


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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:42 am 
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Thanks Ramba. Good thoughts!

That pdf. I put on this link a couple of years ago. :wink:

http://www.ikrhs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1316&p=13671&hilit=abc#p13671


The cossipore Arsenal mk.1s made in 1915 have fat handles.... I think that because thats how cossipore made them, not because that was 1915 pattern.

There is a massive variation in mk.1 hilts.at various dates.

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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:11 am 
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Lets try this link.....

http://jramc.bmj.com/content/jramc/6/6/685.full.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:17 am 
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That worked. Some interesting info out there.


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 Post subject: Re: ABC MK1
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:10 am 
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Thank you as always for your thoughts a great knowledge Spiral ,its always appreciated
RAMBA i dont know how you manage to find out all that stuff , :lol: you should of been a Detective lol . Thanx .
Highlander


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